TBS6909X DVB-S2X & ACM/VCM

  • new arrival from TBS company
    tbs6909x DVB-S2X/S2 & ACM/VCM
    I am confused about this "TBS6909xChangeModeTool" ..I guess to change between S2/S2X!
    I think before that silabs demods can not handle DVB-S2X & ACM at the same time ?!
    if that is true so tbs6909x it will not be able to ACM & DVB-S2X at the same time ! but separately
    so you have to change always the mode and compare between two result of blindscan
    any way I don' know ..we can wait until some one try it :73:


    crazycat said:"6909x is some new experimental device based on STiD135. Have full DVB-S2 ACM/VCM + MIS support + advanced S2X support . STiD135 very complex and flexible chip, many capabilities not covered by current drivers/software."
    I hope if there is a USB version in future .


    https://www.tbsdtv.com/product…octa-tuner-pcie-card.html


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    Main Features:


    Support Octa DVB-S/S2/S2X
    Fast scanning functionality for all media
    Support VCM, ACM, CCM, QPSK, 8PSK, 16APSK, 32APSK;
    Support wide band


    DVB-S/S2/S2X
    DVB-S/S2 QPSK 1/2, 3/5, 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 8/9, 9/10
    8PSK 3/5, 2/3, 3/4, 5/6, 8/9, 9/10
    16APSK 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 8/9, 9/10
    32APSK 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 8/9, 9/10
    DVB-S2X QPSK 1/4,1/3, 2/5 (S2-MODCODs)
    1/2, 3/5, 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 5/6
    8/9, 9/10 (S2-MODCODs)
    11/45, 4/15, 14/45, 7/15 8/15, 32/45
    8PSK 3/5, 2/3, 3/4, 5/6, 8/9 (S2-MODCODs)
    7/15, 8/15, 26/45, 32/45
    16APSK 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 8/9 (S2-MODCODs)
    7/15, 8/15, 26/45, 3/5, 32/45
    32APSK 2/3, 32/45
    VCM Yes
    ACM Yes
    Power consumption
    Input/ Power: 12V/7~15W
    temperature 0°~ 60°
    Other information:
    System Requirements Windows XP / Vista/ 7/8/10, Linux
    Available PCI Express x1, x4, x8 or x16 slot
    Dimension:
    TV tuner card size 145*92*1.6mm
    Gift Box Size 200*130*30mm
    Weight 400g
    Package Contents 1* TBS6909-X
    1* Power cable

    Edited once, last by flie ().

  • For the moment 6909X is like a rich mine that can't be exploited because they are not the right tools to exploit it :88: Salvation comes from CrazyCat's brilliant mind(My hat off)

    7 antennas,including 2 of 150cm,one T90 with 16 lnbs
    lnb:Inverto Black Ultra with scalar rings and many Ku lnbs,
    C-band LNB:ESX241,Galaxy Inovations,EuroStar,MTI 20K,NS741U C/Ku,Inverto Single C-band Flange,lnb Chaparral Servo Motor & Skew Control
    LNB Ka:R9216DF XWM,Hughes FSS 19.7-20.2 GHz,
    6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,
    7 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6504),3 tuners usb-tbs5927,tbs5925 & SkyStar USB 2 HD,
    Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W,
    Loc:Romania :3:

  • according to crazycat :
    TBS6909xChangeModeTool is :


    LNB connection mode. Similar to linux drivers for mxl584 (TBS 6909). Multiswith or direct connection mode.


    I thought the tool like : tbs5521_changemode_tool

    may be whe can understand how TBS6909xChangeModeTool works if we look also to Lnb max-sx8 connection mode


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  • ... but the SR on TBS6904-X is up to 45000, on the 6909 it is not specified.
    I think, I still wait for a professionell X-version.

    Wer nicht die Antennengröße und den ungefähren Standort angibt, postet sinnlos, sofern es um eine Signalerfassung geht.

    If you don't specify the antenna size and the approximate location, posting is useless if it's about signal acquisition.

  • Quote

    Original von femi
    ... but the SR on TBS6904-X is up to 45000, on the 6909 it is not specified.
    I think, I still wait for a professionell X-version.


    you are right but TBS6904-X doen't support ACM :


    https://www.tbsdtv.com/product…quad-tuner-pcie-card.html


    Main Features:
    Support Quad DVB-S/S2/S2X
    Fast scanning functionality for all media
    Support VCM, CCM, QPSK, 8PSK, 16APSK, 32APSK;
    Up to 173M/bps(TS Data Rate)
    Quad flexible TS interfaces


    Model TBS6904-X
    symbol rates 1-45Msps
    DVB-S/S2/S2X
    DVB-S/S2 QPSK 1/2, 3/5, 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 8/9, 9/10
    8PSK 3/5, 2/3, 3/4, 5/6, 8/9, 9/10
    16APSK 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 8/9, 9/10
    32APSK 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 8/9, 9/10
    DVB-S2X QPSK 13/45, 9/20, 11/20
    2_4_2_APSK 100/180, 104/180
    8PSK 23/36, 25/36, 13/18
    8_8_APSK 90/180, 96/180, 100/180, 18/30, 20/30
    16APSK 26/45, 3/5, 28/45, 23/36, 25/36, 13/18, 140/180, 154/180
    4_12_16rb_APSK 2/3
    4_8_4_16_APSK 128/180, 132/180, 140/180
    Power consumption
    Input/ Power: 12V/7~15W
    temperature 0°~ 60°
    Other information:
    System Requirements Windows XP / Vista/ 7/8/10, Linux
    Available PCI Express x1, x4, x8 or x16 slot
    Digital TV signal (ISDB-T/DVB-T2/C2/S2X/S2/T/C/S)
    Dimension:
    TV tuner card size 145*92*1.6mm
    Net weight 189g
    Gift Box Size 200*130*30mm
    Weight 400g
    Package Contents 1* TBS6904-X
    1* Power cable

  • thank you again Crazycat :71: :"TBS 6909x support 256ASPK, same chip STiD135. :94:


    P.S. But anyway this not tested I receive some DVB-S2X, QPSK from 19.2E some time ago"


    let us wait until some one test TBS 6909x :83:

  • TBS IPTool v.3.0.5.3 and TBS TSRecorder v.3.0.1.6 have been updated for TBS6909-X

  • Edited once, last by flie ().

  • Thank you, flie,but I have to admit it's not my merit.There's still work on this card.It's not really that easy for programmers to solve such a complex card.
    I do not know that such a 256APSK mode has been used.Until it goes to this mode,as the song says,it's a long, long way to...Tipperary

    7 antennas,including 2 of 150cm,one T90 with 16 lnbs
    lnb:Inverto Black Ultra with scalar rings and many Ku lnbs,
    C-band LNB:ESX241,Galaxy Inovations,EuroStar,MTI 20K,NS741U C/Ku,Inverto Single C-band Flange,lnb Chaparral Servo Motor & Skew Control
    LNB Ka:R9216DF XWM,Hughes FSS 19.7-20.2 GHz,
    6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,
    7 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6504),3 tuners usb-tbs5927,tbs5925 & SkyStar USB 2 HD,
    Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W,
    Loc:Romania :3:

  • Update driver for tbs6909-X_v.1.0.0.3

    7 antennas,including 2 of 150cm,one T90 with 16 lnbs
    lnb:Inverto Black Ultra with scalar rings and many Ku lnbs,
    C-band LNB:ESX241,Galaxy Inovations,EuroStar,MTI 20K,NS741U C/Ku,Inverto Single C-band Flange,lnb Chaparral Servo Motor & Skew Control
    LNB Ka:R9216DF XWM,Hughes FSS 19.7-20.2 GHz,
    6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,
    7 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6504),3 tuners usb-tbs5927,tbs5925 & SkyStar USB 2 HD,
    Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W,
    Loc:Romania :3:

  • Hello,


    I would like to ask and get a little more information about this card model: TBS-6909-X V2


    Is there Generic stream mode Support? And does it manage to capture continuously BB Frames.


    Best Regards!

  • CrazyCat recommended Dektec DTA-2137C for BBFrame some long time ago, now DTA 2132 it is probably suitable for DVB-S2X

    DigitalDevice recommends for BBFrame MAX SX8

    Rick also had an interesting discussion about the use of BBFrame in TBS cards

    Location: Banska Bystrica, Slovakia
    Ku-Band: 50°West - 95°East Gibertini OP100 (1,0m)
    Ku-Band: 5°West - 39°East WaveFrontier T90 (0,9m)
    Ku-Band LNB: Avenger PLL321S-2 PLL
    Tuner: TBS 5925&5530&5220, EDISION MIO+ 4K, Mut@nt HD51, Dreambox 900UHD&7020HD

  • Thanks a lot for the information and help.


    I'm about to buy PCIe card and I hesitate between TBS-6903-X and 6909-X V2, because both have the same chip STiD135.


    So I want to get some information by someone who has tested 6909-X V2 to capture BBFrames.


    I think I will choose TBS-6903-X as there is a bit more information about her Generic stream support.


    Best Regards!

  • The Digital Devices Max SX8 Pro also has the STID135 chip and I fear the same problems with the software.

    The company is not sure whether it works with Crazyscan, for example, and obviously nothing was known about the IQMonitor.

    Wer nicht die Antennengröße und den ungefähren Standort angibt, postet sinnlos, sofern es um eine Signalerfassung geht.

    If you don't specify the antenna size and the approximate location, posting is useless if it's about signal acquisition.

  • So far, I have been working with driver version 2.0.0.4 for the 6909X card, not knowing that the latest version for this card is 3.0.0.8, released in June 2023 and valid for 6909X-V2.


    I don't know what improvements this version has brought, but I thought that those behind, like me, with the driver for the 6909x card, should know.

    7 antennas,including 2 of 150cm,one T90 with 16 lnbs
    lnb:Inverto Black Ultra with scalar rings and many Ku lnbs,
    C-band LNB:ESX241,Galaxy Inovations,EuroStar,MTI 20K,NS741U C/Ku,Inverto Single C-band Flange,lnb Chaparral Servo Motor & Skew Control
    LNB Ka:R9216DF XWM,Hughes FSS 19.7-20.2 GHz,
    6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,
    7 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6504),3 tuners usb-tbs5927,tbs5925 & SkyStar USB 2 HD,
    Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W,
    Loc:Romania :3:

  • Those who have cards with stid135(6903x/6909x) can benefit from the improvements Deeptho has made with its neumoDVB application.

    With 6909x at 23.5E on mux 12646 V,285,7/8 you can lock, save, and listen to Radio Antenne Dusseldorf.

    It is amazing what our developer has done to highlight the potential of this card, which on Windows is below expectations.

    The speed with which it scans and finds muxes surpasses even the 6983 card.

    Also, after the recent update of neumoDVB, you can now stream DAB+ with the 6909x card.

    A test on 12645 V,2200,3/4 for the DAB WDR stream.

    In other words, these cards have another life under Linux. :73:


    7 antennas,including 2 of 150cm,one T90 with 16 lnbs
    lnb:Inverto Black Ultra with scalar rings and many Ku lnbs,
    C-band LNB:ESX241,Galaxy Inovations,EuroStar,MTI 20K,NS741U C/Ku,Inverto Single C-band Flange,lnb Chaparral Servo Motor & Skew Control
    LNB Ka:R9216DF XWM,Hughes FSS 19.7-20.2 GHz,
    6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,
    7 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6504),3 tuners usb-tbs5927,tbs5925 & SkyStar USB 2 HD,
    Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W,
    Loc:Romania :3:

  • Hi, dk, :3:


    Thanks for your confidence about the tests I do with some TBS cards, but my opinions about them are those of an amateur and not a software connoisseur. The people most entitled to talk about DVB cards are the developers of our applications. They know from the inside how each hardware component of the cards we use works.

    That's why my opinion is to be taken with reserve, even more so if you want to buy some dvb card, say 6909x, which you intend to purchase.


    1. I don't have the 6904se card, but despite not having full support for BLScan, Carrier search, and Constellation function, it is a sound card for regular use. Its FEC display is no longer as crucial as most cards find it automatically.


    2. The FEC is displayed correctly on the 6909x card, but it must be considered that the FEC may change depending on the modulation used for generic streams that are multi-streams.


    3. Scanning with 6909x/6903x on transponders using the S2X extension does not pose a problem. Still, some parameters (FEC, mode, roll-off) are not displayed for several internal reasons, first of all, because of the algorithm used and/or because of the signal (power fluctuation, etc.).


    Below is an example of how Crazyscan works when it locks a signal and tries to determine the parameters used for this mux. At first glance, they may confuse us because the app finds two different modes and FEC, which are for DVB-S2, but RollOff indicates the presence of an S2X parameter, RollOff of 0.05.


    The StreamReader file also shows us the type of stream used, which can be confusing because, depending on the demodulator of the card, it can indicate the presence of a generic stream or DATA (transport) stream.

    Here is a brief description of how to display the parameters of a transponder with DVB applications using CrazyCat's library.


    3. CrazyCat's StreamReader works well with this card and Blindscan2. Of course, one can object to how the card works with dvb applications under Windows, especially the scanning speed.

    CrazyCat has dramatically improved its application since the release of the stid135 cards, but some things are no longer up to him but to the chip manufacturer.

    Here is a test with EBSpro with 6909x at 1.0W with BLScan. The scan is doing fine and displays the parameters correctly.

    It is important to remember that the signal should be as good as possible, i.e., strong. Like other DVB cards, the chances of finding and locking the signal increase.


    4. I use the first version of the 6909x card, which is identical to the V2 version. It does not do any more or less than the latest version.

    Both versions use the same driver version.


    As for what the neumoDVB app can do under Linux, I have written about it on other occasions. This time, I have to emphasize/repeat that these stid135 chip cards outperform all other dvb cards on the market in every aspect. Their use of this operating system is almost undeniable, even under Windows.


    This opinion has nothing to do with buying the 6909x card.

    Considering that many DVB card models with different hardware configurations can be used for TV/radio consumption, it is difficult to recommend such cards for those moving from regular program users to DX enthusiasts.

    The first contact with these cards and dvb applications may confuse these new users, but with patience and adaptation, they can reach a level of use close to what they want. With patience, they will understand how their applications work and the results will differ from when they started.


    But one thing is clear to me: Those who want to cross this threshold are nollens-vollens obliged/needed to choose cards with demod std135(i.e., 6903x/6909x) or those from Digital, which CrazyCat does not support.

    Until another dvb card comes out with a new chip (possibly Oxford 2), tbv6903x/6909x cards are unbeatable because they have hardware that most cards don't have.


    (I took the liberty of answering the questions our colleague asked me privately (excuse me) on this topic because, at the risk of the answer being wrong or incomplete, it covers exactly the issue of StiD135 chip cards.

    Any answer on this topic is welcome, as I think many users are looking for a card that will please them. I am not convinced that my opinions can be valid in every case, but I can hope that in confrontation with other users, the choice will be easier and hopefully convincing.)

    7 antennas,including 2 of 150cm,one T90 with 16 lnbs
    lnb:Inverto Black Ultra with scalar rings and many Ku lnbs,
    C-band LNB:ESX241,Galaxy Inovations,EuroStar,MTI 20K,NS741U C/Ku,Inverto Single C-band Flange,lnb Chaparral Servo Motor & Skew Control
    LNB Ka:R9216DF XWM,Hughes FSS 19.7-20.2 GHz,
    6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,
    7 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6504),3 tuners usb-tbs5927,tbs5925 & SkyStar USB 2 HD,
    Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W,
    Loc:Romania :3:

  • Ich möchte nur anmerken, dass die TBS6909x V2 (die neue Octo-Version) im Gegensatz zur TBS6903x kein 128APSK und auch nicht 256APSK verarbeitet.

    Auch einige FEC-Modalitäten fehlen.


    I just want to note that the TBS6909x V2 (the new Octo version) does not handle 128APSK or 256APSK, unlike the TBS6903x.

    Some FEC modalities are also missing.

    Wer nicht die Antennengröße und den ungefähren Standort angibt, postet sinnlos, sofern es um eine Signalerfassung geht.

    If you don't specify the antenna size and the approximate location, posting is useless if it's about signal acquisition.

  • You're right, femi. It is good that you pointed out this technical detail :3:

    I didn't go into details because our colleague was interested in blindscan.

    I hope to find the 6909x/6909x review I published on a Romanian forum, which has disappeared.


    Continuing the article above is perhaps useless; however, I illustrate what I was trying to demonstrate there.


    7 antennas,including 2 of 150cm,one T90 with 16 lnbs
    lnb:Inverto Black Ultra with scalar rings and many Ku lnbs,
    C-band LNB:ESX241,Galaxy Inovations,EuroStar,MTI 20K,NS741U C/Ku,Inverto Single C-band Flange,lnb Chaparral Servo Motor & Skew Control
    LNB Ka:R9216DF XWM,Hughes FSS 19.7-20.2 GHz,
    6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,
    7 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6504),3 tuners usb-tbs5927,tbs5925 & SkyStar USB 2 HD,
    Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W,
    Loc:Romania :3:

  • Hmm, ich resümiere noch einmal (ich hatte es anders in Erinnerung):


    Die 6903x beherrscht:

    - Blindscan 2 (langsamer als bei der 6904SE)

    - Blindscan 1 (gewohnt langsam)

    - der BS-Mode und der DT-Mode funktionieren beide


    Alles im Zusammenhang mit EBS Pro und Crazycat funktioniert auch?


    Wenn dem so ist, würde ich noch eine bestellen.

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    Hmm, let me summarize once again (I remembered it differently):


    The 6903x is capable of:

    - Blindscan 2 (slower than the 6904SE)

    - Blindscan 1 (slow as usual)

    - BS mode and DT mode both work


    Everything in connection with EBS Pro and Crazycat also works?


    If so, I would order another one.

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