96.5°E Express-103

11065 H,7294,3/4,32APSK,ACM-new GS,

11554 H,1800,2/3,16APSK,ACM-new GS,

11554 V,30000,3/4,32APSK,ACM-new GS,

11644 H,6800,3/4,32APSK,ACM-new GS,

11630 V,3500,2/3,S2,ACM-new GS.

Zitat von feci01

New scan.

11053 V 5-6dB

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Maybe you noticed that the signal fluctuates a few db,maybe that's why you didn't lock 11053 V.And it's no wonder when you have 43dBW in your area,especially since the elevation is lower than mine.

I say you follow the signal on this frequency and I'm sure at some point it will increase and you'll be able to lock it.
In my area the fluctuation at 11053 is 3dB at a certain point.Close to 8dB,the signal can lock it and if it's above that value,you can see the TV program.

Good luck

Zitat von satesco

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11644 H,6800,3/4,32APSK,ACM-new GS,

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11644 ?H has left,

10982 V,7500,3/4,32APSK,ACM-new GS

11662 H,1340,3/4,S2,ACM-new GS

Zitat von feci01

New 11528 H 6799 5/6 DVB-S2/16APSK.Data.

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11528 H,5800,5/6,16APSK,ACM,GS-new symbol rate

10958 H,700,5/6,S2,ACM-new GS,

10998 V,1000,3/4,32APSK-new GS.

Zitat von satesco

11528 H,5800,5/6,16APSK,ACM,GS-new symbol rate

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Zitat von satesco

11662 H,1340,3/4,S2,ACM-new GS

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11527 H,7000,5/6,16APSK,ACM.GS-new symbol rate,

11662 H,1250,3/4,S2,ACM,GS-new symbol rate,

11004 V,4500,3/4,32APSK,ACM-GS,new,

11056 V,1000,3/4,32APSK,ACM,GS-new symbol rate( DX Suvi on FS),

11107 H,15000,3/4,32APSK,ACM-GS,new.

Zitat von satesco

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11004 V,4500,3/4,32APSK,ACM-GS,new,

11056 V,1000,3/4,32APSK,ACM,GS-new symbol rate( DX Suvi on FS),

11107 H,15000,3/4,32APSK,ACM-GS,new.

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10954 H,1500,5/6,S2,ACM-GS,new,

11005 V,3700,2/3,8PSK-GS,new symbol rate,

11056 V,1000,3/4,32APSK-has left,

11107 H,18000,2/3,16APSK-GS,new symbol rate.

Zitat von satesco

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11630 V,3500,2/3,S2,ACM-new GS.

11630 V,3500,2/3,S2 has left

10957 H,1500,5/6,S2-GS,new,

11605 V,20400,2/3,8PSK-GS,new

In the upper band, there are more active transponders, but unfortunately, the high fluctuation does not help me to lock them with my antenna.

Maybe someone here (what you say, feci01?) can succeed

Zitat von satesco

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11005 V,3700,2/3,8PSK-GS,new symbol rate,

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11005 v,1500,1/2,S2-GS,new symbol rate,

11068 V,2000,3/4,32APSK-GS,new,

11110 H,20995,3/4,16APSK-GS,new symbol rate(for 11107 H,above),

11490 H,1300,2/3,S2-GS,new.

I asked feci01 and SaTom to tell Mr. Bozoth that the upper band muxes he reported on FlySat at 95.0E are on Express-103. My repeated checks at both positions led me to this conclusion.

Because of the receptions he makes with antennas two or three larger than mine, and on the other hand, the formidable experience he has had for decades forces me to be a little more reserved than I may be right. And I start from the premise that my conclusion could be wrong. That is why I would ask Mr. Bozoth to check my report posted here on this forum and/or on the SatUK forum(#81),

And if it is not too much to ask, I would like to see his reports for obvious reasons.
In the hope that he will want to help me not to be wrong about these muxes on Express-103, I thank him in advance.

My respects to both of you

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Hi, SatTom,

Thanks for the interesting post on 26.0E by you and DX Bozoth.

You are lucky that you can consult your dx renowned conational whenever you have a reception problem. An example is at 26.0E, where of course it is a dx achievement for those who manage to receive this part of the band you have analyzed.

As I can't move around in this cold/dark season, I will take advantage of the fact that we are fellow forum members (and have the same passion), I would ask you to talk to DX Bozoth to check the reception in the upper band at 96.5E where I found some muxes that I could not lock.

DX Bozoth's report on FlySat with the same transponders I found at 96.5E are posted at position 95.0E. Since I found them last summer, I still see them on the Express-103 satellite at 96.5E (#12 & #13), and not even at 95.0E. My chances of getting them wrong are much higher because I receive them with the smaller antenna. That's why I would like to be sure that I am wrong rather than right.

But this is not a personal issue but one that concerns all of us who are looking for satellite news. It matters more about accuracy than who is right. Unfortunately in Europe, there are no more enthusiasts interested in extreme satellites where only a few "lost among the satellites", like me and DX Bozoth, have reached and are interested in the upper band transponders.

Please tell DX Bozoth about the situation I describe, and if possible, give you a full Ku-band spectrum of SES-12 where he found transponders at 95.0E between 12500-12530 V.

Please convey to Mr. BX Bozoth my respect and admiration for all he does for satellite enthusiasts.

Thanks in advance.

Regards

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Thank you, SaTom, for your reply, and for posting the DX Bozoth spectrum at 96.5E. The only thing I'm glad about is that I wasn't wrong when I said those muxes came from Express-103. And thanks to the extraordinary dx-er Bozoth for confirming the existence of those muxes at the 96.5E position, and not at 95.0E.

But I am surprised, if I understood your message correctly, that Lyngsat does not accept reception reports from contributors dealing with Data transponders. This is not news, we have known for a long time that Lyngasat is not interested in data feeds. You can easily see this on their website. But to refuse a report from a collaborator of Bozoth's renown just because those frequencies are used for military communication seems to me euphemistically unnatural. Even if their answer were true, which I don't think it is, it would be easier to say that we don't post Data reports on their satellite lists. Which would be closer to the truth than the excuse given for denying DX Bozoth the information offered.

Why am I saying all this, Lyngsat is more interested in transponders with TV/Radio programs. With this, it won over a lot of enthusiasts in the early 2000s, in competition with SatcodDX, which disappeared in the meantime and has dominated the satellite information market in Europe and probably in the world for many years. But along the way similar sites have appeared with the same purpose, new transponders and also that are still disappearing from satellites. Among these newcomers, there are others, FlySat, which has attracted many amateurs, both from those interested in TV/Radio programs, but also from those who have become, as they say, voluntary contributors, providing the latest satellite news.

What Lyngsat didn't understand, or perhaps realize, was FlySat, which gave the impression that any satellite transmission received by amateurs/enthusiasts is useful information for those interested in any field. That's why they included in their list the Data transponders that these enthusiasts receive. Lyngsat has realized the "explosive" poignancy of this information appearing on satellite lists regardless of their content.

One reason could also be that these Data transponders have content that would be of interest to many if they had the necessary tools to decode them. Program operators, regardless of content or purpose, have realized, beyond reducing transmission costs, that encoding TV/radio programs are somewhat within the reach of those who want to watch them and have the intelligence and the skills to decode them.

So decoding is at the receiver's end, but in order to reduce or even eliminate the number of decoders, they have switched to a different kind of "coding", namely to new modes of transmission, using all kinds of hardware and applications that make it as difficult as possible to receive the programs.

For example, for economic and efficiency reasons, the transmission of multistream of, say, 5.0w, French or Italian packages could only be achieved with certain dedicated devices available only to operators, but this has led some of the manufacturers of reception devices to implement new techniques so that these multi streams can be decoded by any user who has access to the new devices.

There are many other examples where coding is done during transmission, and they are diverse and still difficult to decode.Of course, this is not the subject of these lines.

Probably in this respect, we can grant him(Lyngsat), a certain reserve, but this precaution seems to FlySat to be unnecessary. That is why he accepted that the newly activated transponders are present on their lists. This has brought them new satellite seekers, but also new contributors, and their numbers have grown enormously so that their site often crashes for multiple reasons, one of which is because they have too more visitors than they initially thought.

Here is how FlySat has grown enormously in the last few years because they accept that transponder information should not be restricted.

If Lyngsat has apologized, I call it, embarrassingly, that it cannot post the reception reports of reliable contributors, then either the pigeon has dropped out of its mouth, and if that is true, then this site is either God-fearing lest it is targeted by who knows what military court, or it simply does not want to complicate itself with information that does not interest those who visit its site.

I'll stop here, and so I've gone beyond what I set out to answer. And I apologize for my "rambling".

The important thing was what I said at the beginning, that the frequencies in question are on Express-103 and not on 95.0E!

Yours sincerely

Hi, SaTom,

Good that you made the necessary correction, so I was left with the wrong impression about the issue at hand.

I assure you that I am not outraged, just puzzled by what happened, especially by the fact that a contributor of DX Bozoth's stature is being corrected by Lyngsat because his report does not match the coverage maps. What happened to Lyngsat is what usually happens to those officials who check on paper the information that the field workers bring in. What is not on paper has to be changed to match assumptions.

Of course, we can debate endlessly whether the Express-103 has transponders in the upper band, but one thing is certain, both DX Bozoth and I, found that those the same transponders are at 96.5E and not 95.0E.

Initially, I thought that these transponders are at 97.3E or 97.7E, but after exchanging messages with @hvdh(#9) on this forum, I thought that the muxes I found are at 96.5E.

Whether this is true or not, we know only one thing for sure, we are two people who found them at 96.5E! Too bad we don't have other amateurs to back up what I am saying now.

Kind regards