07.0°E Eutelsat 7B/7C

  • Da Satesco so viele S2X- Transponder gefunden hat,die nicht sind weil ich sie vorher gefunden habe mit nicht S2X-Receiver z.b. TBS 5990 kann sich hier beweisen ob das ein S2x-TP ist oder nicht .Ich meine ja weil mein TBS5990 die überhauptnicht erkennt,obwohl der mindestens 9,5dB hat (SF8008 angeschlossen mit gleicher Peripherie)

    Viel Glück .Sender wird wohl bis heute Abend da sein bis er dann abgeschaltet wird.

    dvbsnoop V1.4.56 -- https://github.com/OpenVisionE2/dvbsnoop

    ---------------------------------------------------------

    Transponder PID-Scan...

    ---------------------------------------------------------

    PID found: 0 (0x0000) [SECTION: Program Association Table (PAT)]

    PID found: 1 (0x0001) [unknown]

    PID found: 2 (0x0002) [unknown]

    PID found: 3 (0x0003) [unknown]

    PID found: 4 (0x0004) [unknown]

    PID found: 8 (0x0008) [unknown]

    PID found: 9 (0x0009) [unknown]

    PID found: 10 (0x000a) [unknown]

    PID found: 14 (0x000e) [unknown]

    PID found: 16 (0x0010) [unknown]

    PID found: 17 (0x0011) [unknown]

    PID found: 18 (0x0012) [unknown]

    PID found: 19 (0x0013) [unknown]

    PID found: 20 (0x0014) [unknown]

    PID found: 22 (0x0016) [unknown]

    PID found: 26 (0x001a) [unknown]

    PID found: 28 (0x001c) [unknown]

    PID found: 32 (0x0020) [unknown]

    PID found: 33 (0x0021) [unknown]

    PID found: 36 (0x0024) [unknown]

    PID found: 256 (0x0100) [SECTION: Program Map Table (PMT)]

    PID found: 512 (0x0200) [PS/PES: ITU-T Rec. H.262 | ISO/IEC 13818-2 or ISO/IEC 11172-2 video stream]

    PID found: 768 (0x0300) [unknown]

    PID found: 4112 (0x1010) [PS/PES: ISO/IEC 13818-3 or ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio stream]

    PID found: 4113 (0x1011) [PS/PES: ISO/IEC 13818-3 or ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio stream]

    PID found: 4114 (0x1012) [PS/PES: private_stream_1]

    PID found: 8191 (0x1fff) [stuffing]

    root@sf8008twin:~#


    General

    ID : 160 (0xA0)

    Complete name : D:\!FTA\20210916 1414 - 10983V SID 0x01 - instant record.ts

    Format : MPEG-TS

    File size : 74.5 MiB

    Duration : 21 s 481 ms

    Overall bit rate mode : Variable

    Overall bit rate : 28.8 Mb/s

    Video

    ID : 512 (0x200)

    Menu ID : 1 (0x1)

    Format : HEVC

    Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding

    Format profile : @L5.1@Main

    Codec ID : 36

    Duration : 21 s 500 ms

    Bit rate : 24.3 Mb/s

    Width : 3 840 pixels

    Height : 2 160 pixels

    Display aspect ratio : 16:9

    Frame rate : 50.000 FPS

    Standard : Component

    Color space : YUV

    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 (Type 2)

    Bit depth : 10 bits

    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.059

    Stream size : 62.2 MiB (83%)

    Color range : Limited

    Color primaries : BT.709

    Transfer characteristics : BT.709

    Matrix coefficients : BT.709

    Audio #1

    ID : 4112 (0x1010)

    Menu ID : 1 (0x1)

    Format : MPEG Audio

    Format version : Version 1

    Format profile : Layer 2

    Codec ID : 3

    Duration : 21 s 480 ms

    Bit rate mode : Constant

    Bit rate : 384 kb/s

    Channel(s) : 2 channels

    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz

    Compression mode : Lossy

    Delay relative to video : -930 ms

    Stream size : 1 007 KiB (1%)

    Audio #2

    ID : 4113 (0x1011)

    Menu ID : 1 (0x1)

    Format : MPEG Audio

    Format version : Version 1

    Format profile : Layer 2

    Codec ID : 3

    Duration : 21 s 480 ms

    Bit rate mode : Constant

    Bit rate : 384 kb/s

    Channel(s) : 2 channels

    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz

    Compression mode : Lossy

    Delay relative to video : -930 ms

    Stream size : 1 007 KiB (1%)

    Audio #3

    ID : 4114 (0x1012)-1

    Menu ID : 1 (0x1)

    Format : Dolby E

    Mode : 20

    Format settings, Endianness : Little

    Muxing mode : SMPTE ST 302 / SMPTE ST 337

    Codec ID : 6

    Duration : 21 s 440 ms

    Bit rate mode : Constant

    Encoded bit rate : 2 304 kb/s

    Channel(s) : 6 channels

    Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE

    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz

    Frame rate : 25.000 FPS (1920 SPF)

    Bit depth : 20 bits

    Delay relative to video : -970 ms

    Audio #4

    ID : 4114 (0x1012)-2

    Menu ID : 1 (0x1)

    Format : Dolby E

    Mode : 20

    Format settings, Endianness : Little

    Muxing mode : SMPTE ST 302 / SMPTE ST 337

    Codec ID : 6

    Duration : 21 s 440 ms

    Bit rate mode : Constant

    Encoded bit rate : 0 b/s

    Channel(s) : 2 channels

    Channel positions : Front: L R

    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz

    Frame rate : 25.000 FPS (1920 SPF)

    Bit depth : 20 bits

    Delay relative to video : -970 ms



    Edited once, last by ZAZA (September 16, 2021 at 10:03 PM).

  • 7.0E_10983 V,17141,23/36,(S2X)/16APSK,HEVC-Service feed(locked with 6902se card)

    With any card with S2X extension it locked!I used tbs6902se card for this feed. AltDVB runs this S2X feed excellently.

    Thanks ZAZA :3:

    7 antennas,including 2 of 150cm,one T90 with 16 lnbs
    lnb:Inverto Black Ultra with scalar rings and many Ku lnbs,
    C-band LNB:ESX241,Galaxy Inovations,EuroStar,MTI 20K,NS741U C/Ku,Inverto Single C-band Flange,lnb Chaparral Servo Motor & Skew Control
    LNB Ka:R9216DF XWM,Hughes FSS 19.7-20.2 GHz,
    6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,
    7 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6504),3 tuners usb-tbs5927,tbs5925 & SkyStar USB 2 HD,
    Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W,
    Loc:Romania :3:

  • Das war dann auch der S2X-Beweiss dafür das viele angebliche S2X-Tps die von Satesco auf FS geposted sind ,garkeine sind ,revidiere dann hiermit die gefundenen Daten-TPs von Satesco auf FS. Er kann sie dann herabstufen auf S2-Normal.Programs are not Perfect Satesco.THX 4 understanding

  • 7.0E_10983 V,17141,23/36,(S2X)/16APSK,HEVC-Service feed

    Great h265 4K 4:2:2 feed - friends, you can test powerful of your processors while playing my records from that feed

    20210917-000626_(noname) SID 1.ts (452 MB, 1min39s) https://transfiles.ru/63cn9

    20210917-003653_(noname) SID 1.ts (1.6 GB, 6min) https://transfiles.ru/34i62
    20210917-004653_(noname) SID 1.ts (12МБ, 1min40s) https://transfiles.ru/ml2tq

  • Das war dann auch der S2X-Beweiss dafür das viele angebliche S2X-Tps die von Satesco auf FS geposted sind ,garkeine sind ,revidiere dann hiermit die gefundenen Daten-TPs von Satesco auf FS. Er kann sie dann herabstufen auf S2-Normal.Programs are not Perfect Satesco.THX 4 understanding

    "That was then also the S2X proof for the fact that many alleged S2X-Tps of Satesco on FS are posted, are none, revise then hereby the found data-TPs of Satesco on FS. He can then downgrade them to S2-Normal.Programs are not Perfect Satesco.THX 4 understanding"

    I hope I don't misunderstand the above quote translated by google, by which my forum colleague questions that the S2X extension parameters I report on FS are, as they say today, in other words, "fake news, by so you called, "alleged S2X Tps..."

    Once again I say, I don't understand what you mean ZAZA by making such a statement. So that what I post here or elsewhere is false information?

    I have to remind you that transponders using S2X extension have also modes in dvb-S2,it depends on several factors, first of all on the physical support of the device used, in our case dvb cards, some more powerful,some less, it depends on the demodulator, and on the other hand on the strength of the received signal. The weaker a signal is the more difficult it is to lock.

    Another thing to know is that TV programs and feeds in S2X, like the one from 7.0E and others, usually transmit with the same parameters (extension, mode, fec, roloff, etc.), while Data transponders use several modes at the same time, even more so when they have multistreams. That's why you will find the same transponders with S2x extension parameters as with DVb-S2.

    I won't go into details, but the above observations are the result of my experience as a simple user,and not a specialist of these cards.And if I write from time to time about these cards, I do it from the perspective of a regular user, trying to highlight what one card or another can and cannot do.

    We also have to take into account the fact that the dvb applications we use are not perfect either, which is why their developers ensure a continuous update, those who do this, which in some cases some results could be doubtful, especially in the case of new cards with the latest technology. Only such a programmer could tell us how much work is needed for his application to be as perfect as possible. That's why I don't even develop this idea.

    And let's not forget another thing, we, the users of these applications need to understand how the application/utility works in order to be able to exploit it at the level the developer thought.

    To which I add the fact that we need to know what the card can do, if it is able to highlight the information we receive when scanning a transponder. Or we know that, although cards with S2X extension can do the same thing in theory, in practice the result is different from one card to another.

    I won't elaborate on the idea, because I don't want to tire out the readers of this answer, but I assure you that what I post here or elsewhere can be verified by anyone.

    As for the information on FlySat, I try to send reports only after I have verified the information, but I must add that much of the information posted there is outdated, because the contributors have not returned after it is no longer relevant. I have also noticed that some contributors who do not receive a transponder, for example with a weak signal, or who do not have the right device, report wrongly that they are not active. This is the case with transponders with low symbol rate, which some of them say does not exist. And then, it is understandable why some information on FlySat seems to some to be wrong.

    My intervention now is only because of that "alleged",which simply intrigues me, which I find discrediting.

    If somehow I misunderstood your message, I have nothing more to add and I apologize.

    Regards

    7 antennas,including 2 of 150cm,one T90 with 16 lnbs
    lnb:Inverto Black Ultra with scalar rings and many Ku lnbs,
    C-band LNB:ESX241,Galaxy Inovations,EuroStar,MTI 20K,NS741U C/Ku,Inverto Single C-band Flange,lnb Chaparral Servo Motor & Skew Control
    LNB Ka:R9216DF XWM,Hughes FSS 19.7-20.2 GHz,
    6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,
    7 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6504),3 tuners usb-tbs5927,tbs5925 & SkyStar USB 2 HD,
    Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W,
    Loc:Romania :3:

  • Da muss man wirklich nicht so viel schreiben.

    Es geht nur um die S2X-TPs .ich habe mehrere S2-Tps bei FS geposted .einige Zeit später wurde nachträglich von ihnen gepostet ,das es S2X-TPS seien .Stimmt aber nicht weil meine Satcard gar nicht erfassen kann. Genauso wie der Feed gestern. Konnte nicht erfassen .Nur mein SF8008 mit bis zu 12dB. Also kann gar nicht sein das einige auf 33E und 13E ... gar nicht S2X sind.

    ganz einfache Schlussfolge. Dies habe ich mehrmals überprüft und deshalb auch andere angeschrieben. Alle sagten es ist S2X-TP auf 7°E

    und deshalb fand meine TBS5990 auch absolut gar nix.

    Und mein SF8008 zeigt nicht xtra an das es ein S2X-TP ist.

    Auf 33E

    Eutelsat 33B-Intelsat 28 33.0E 0330 TBS 5990 DVBS/S2 Tuner A 11241 Vertikal 31430 16APSK 2/3 DVB-S2 ON 0.35 Normal ACM 83.193 42.429 10,4 -41 MIS: 1, BER: 0,000000, Time to Lock: - ms 26.05.2021 23 01

    Eutelsat 33B-Intelsat 28 33.0E 0330 TBS 5990 DVBS/S2 Tuner A 11257 Horizontal 31429.686 16APSK 2/3 DVB-S2 ON 0.20 Normal ACM 83.193 37.714 3,0 -43 MIS: 1, BER: 0,000000, Zeit bis sperren: - ms 13.09.2021 2122

    Eutelsat 33B-Intelsat 28 33.0E 0330 TBS 5990 DVBS/S2 Tuner A 11279 Vertikal 31429.708 16APSK 3/4 DVB-S2 ON 0.20 Normal ACM 93.658 37.714 9,5 -48 MIS: 1, BER: 0,0000000, Time to sperren: - ms 25.08.2021 1948

    Eutelsat 33B-Intelsat 28 33.0E 0330 TBS 5990 DVBS/S2 Tuner A 11297 Horizontal 31429.664 16APSK 5/6 DVB-S2 EIN Auto Normal ACM 104.030 42.429 12,5 -43 MIS: 1, BER: 0,000000, Zeit bis sperren: - ms 26.05.2021 2301

    Eutelsat 33B-Intelsat 28 33.0E 0330 TBS 5990 DVBS/S2 Tuner A 11335 Horizontal 31429.708 16APSK 2/3 DVB-S2 EIN Auto Normal ACM 83.193 42.429 0,0 -45 MIS: 1, BER: 0,000000, Zeit bis sperren: - ms 23.08.2021 11:23:35

    Eutelsat 33B-Intelsat 28 33.0E 0330 TBS 5990 DVBS/S2 Tuner A 11354 Vertikal 31429.686 32APSK 3/4 DVB-S2 ON 0.20 Normal ACM 116.916 37.714 10,4 -47 MIS: 1, BER: 0,0000000, Zeit bis sperren: - ms 13.09.2021 11:09:59

    Eutelsat 33B-Intelsat 28 33.0E 0330 TBS 5990 DVBS/S2 Tuner A 11373 Horizontal 31429.664 16APSK 5/6 DVB-S2 ON 0.20 Normal ACM 104.030 37.714 9,5 -43 MIS: 1, BER: 0.0000000 26.05.2021 2201

    Eutelsat 33B-Intelsat 28 33.0E 0330 TBS 5990 DVBS/S2 Tuner A 11450 Horizontal 31430 Auto Auto DVB-S2 OFF Auto Normal ACM 0,000 42.429 9,0 -48 MIS: 1, BER: 0,000000, Sperrzeit: - ms 04.10.2020 1935

    Eutelsat 33B-Intelsat 28 33.0E 0330 TBS 5990 DVBS/S2 Tuner A 11489 Horizontal 31429.708 8PSK 2/3 DVB-S2 OFF 0.35 Normal ACM 62.261 42.429 0,0 -47 MIS: 1, BER: 0,000000, Zeit bis Sperre: - ms 04.10.2020 1900

  • Quote

    Es geht nur um die S2X-TPs .ich habe mehrere S2-Tps bei FS geposted .einige Zeit später wurde nachträglich von ihnen gepostet ,das es S2X-TPS seien .Stimmt aber nicht weil meine Satcard gar nicht erfassen kann. Genauso wie der Feed gestern. Konnte nicht erfassen .Nur mein SF8008 mit bis zu 12dB. Also kann gar nicht sein das einige auf 33E und 13E ... gar nicht S2X sind.

    ganz einfache Schlussfolge. Dies habe ich mehrmals überprüft und deshalb auch andere angeschrieben. Alle sagten es ist S2X-TP auf 7°E

    und deshalb fand meine TBS5990 auch absolut gar nix.

    Und mein SF8008 zeigt nicht xtra an das es ein S2X-TP ist.

    ...

    Q.E.D. :26.

    7 antennas,including 2 of 150cm,one T90 with 16 lnbs
    lnb:Inverto Black Ultra with scalar rings and many Ku lnbs,
    C-band LNB:ESX241,Galaxy Inovations,EuroStar,MTI 20K,NS741U C/Ku,Inverto Single C-band Flange,lnb Chaparral Servo Motor & Skew Control
    LNB Ka:R9216DF XWM,Hughes FSS 19.7-20.2 GHz,
    6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,
    7 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6504),3 tuners usb-tbs5927,tbs5925 & SkyStar USB 2 HD,
    Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W,
    Loc:Romania :3:

  • Q.E.D. :26.

    33.1E_11200-11700 HV scanned with tbs6983,6903x,tbs6902se cards.

    (Sorry about offtopic)

    7 antennas,including 2 of 150cm,one T90 with 16 lnbs
    lnb:Inverto Black Ultra with scalar rings and many Ku lnbs,
    C-band LNB:ESX241,Galaxy Inovations,EuroStar,MTI 20K,NS741U C/Ku,Inverto Single C-band Flange,lnb Chaparral Servo Motor & Skew Control
    LNB Ka:R9216DF XWM,Hughes FSS 19.7-20.2 GHz,
    6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,
    7 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6504),3 tuners usb-tbs5927,tbs5925 & SkyStar USB 2 HD,
    Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W,
    Loc:Romania :3:

  • keine Ahnung ,was du wieder gegenbeweisen willst.

    All deine Hoffnungen setzen im voraus

    1. Crazyscan hat 1000% recht.

    2. Deine Sat-Grösse hat 1000% recht.

    deine Bilder kann ich im meinen SAT-TBS5990 zeigen.

    muss ich aber nicht. Dir gehts wahrscheinlich um was ganz anders??

    deine Meinung ist ganz schlichtweg für die Tonne.

    Jeder soll sein möglich grösstes seitens Sichtung und Auswertung erreichen.

    Das ist die Definition meinerseits und die sollte für alle gelten!DXX-4ALL

    Hör auf damit!

  • @ZAZA

    As I understand satesco with his screenshots wanted to say that ACM(VCM) (not CCM) DVB-S2X signal can be locked with DVB-S2 devices because such transponders transmits as minimum with two different parameters from frame to frame depending on conditions in place of receiving that transponder so almost simultaneously (if I remember correctly IQMonitor can show them clearly in Feed Report i.e. https://sat-dx.club/viewtopic.php?p=27866#p27866 ) and CrazyScan shows different parameters from one scan to another (because parameters can be changed at any time) on ACM(VCM) transponders depending what frame is locked...

    Russian Crimea, 1200х1100mm on SMR-1224:103E-30W with Ku, Ku cir (both Inverto), С cir (Alyno CM90) + 600mm 36e Ku cir (GI 301)

    Athlon II x3 460 3,4GHz, 690V, 4GB, 0,5(SSD)+2+4TB, GTX750v2 GM206 1GB (h265 4:2:0 4K hardware acceleration), RemoteWonder, Win7x64sp1 RUS, OMICOM S2 PCI, TBS 5520SE (USB so well receiving less than 111 Mbit/s transponders only); standalone tuner GI HD Micro Plus

    Edited once, last by VictorLS (September 18, 2021 at 1:28 AM).

  • (because parameters permanently are being changed) on ACM(VCM) transponders depending what frame is locked...

    this is the 1st think !

    believe to another ??

    I have never time say its a S2X-Signal.

    No way!

    Only my 2xOctagon S2X can say there is a Signal, but cannot say Signal for S2X-Signal no way out!

  • deine Meinung ist ganz schlichtweg für die Tonne.

    ZAZA,

    mit dieser Aussage überschreitest du hier die Etikette im Forum. Es sollte hier mehr um ein Miteinander und nicht Gegeneinander gehen. Bitte denke in Zukunft daran.

    qwer setup

    Location: Rastatt, Germany

    C-band: 55.5°West-68.5°East ORBITRON O-16 (4,9m)

    X-band: 17.8°W-60.2°E KATHREIN CAS 120 (1,2m)

    Ku-band: 61.0°West-80.0°East KATHREIN CAS 23 (2,2m)

    Ka-band A/B/C/D: 30.0°W-75.0°E KATHREIN CAS 018 (1,8m)

    Ka-band band A 2x KATHREIN CAS 120 fix on 19.2°E and 42.0°E

    Ku-band LNB: Invacom SNF-031, Inverto Single Flange

    C-band LNBs: Kaonsat, C-Panorama 13K, Norsat 8000RI C-DRO, BrasilSat LNBF AP30 PLL

    Ka-Band LNBs: Inverto Twin WHITE Ka Circular Dual Polarity LNB (flange), Inverto IDLK-SINL20-KAKU-OPP,MCL-KP04, Norsat 9000HX-O3B-BN, Orbital LNB1825F-1000D-WF55

    X-band LNB: Norsat X1000HAF

    Feeds: Invacom ADF_10 + 2 rings, XMW Ka-band Feed FD9000K

    Waveguide Polariser: AV-COMM

    Tuner: TBS 6925, TBS 6903, TBS 6903X, TBS 6522

    >qwer setup

  • 7E 10984 H 16951 S2X 4:2:2 FTA 4K UHD FTA

    Video: HEVC 3840x2160 50fps [V: hevc rext, yuv422p10le, 3840x2160]
    Audio: MPEG Audio 48000Hz stereo 384kbps [A: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 384 kb/s]
    Audio: MPEG Audio 48000Hz stereo 384kbps [A: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 384 kb/s]
    Audio: 0xffff 48000Hz stereo 2305kbps [A: s302m, 48000 Hz, stereo, s20, 2305 kb/s]
    Audio: MPEG Audio 48000Hz stereo 384kbps [A: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 384 kb/s]

  • Der S2x-taugliche GTMedia V8 Satfinder kommt offensichtlich mit dem 16APSK nicht zurecht :88:

    Wer nicht die Antennengröße und den ungefähren Standort angibt, postet sinnlos, sofern es um eine Signalerfassung geht.

    If you don't specify the antenna size and the approximate location, posting is useless if it's about signal acquisition.

    Dish & Location

    N 48.602 E 15.553

    240 Irte (Ku/C)

    180 Laminas stationär (KaEABCD/Ku/C/X)

    180 Laminas mobil (all)

    120 Laminas (Ku)

    100 (Ku, 1.9°E/7°E), 100 (Ku, 27.5°W), 85 (Ku, 13°E/16°E/19.2°E)

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